How John Used Man Flow Yoga to Recover from a Mini-Stroke | John S. | Better Man Podcast Ep. 122

Dean Pohlman: Hey guys, it’s Dean. Welcome back to the Better Man podcast. Today’s episode is a member interview. We have John Scott here to talk about his experience with, mental yoga, but also with health in general. So, John, thank you for being here.

John S.: That’s right. You be here.

Dean Pohlman: Yeah. Cool. So, how long you been doing mental yoga for?

John S.: Oh, good. I think it’s just over two years, so I think it’s just before, stroke, so. Yeah. Just over two years.

Dean Pohlman: Okay. Got it. So what was, what made you go looking for a solution like mental yoga? Did you have an oh, shit moment where you realized you needed to do something different for your health? Well.

John S.: No. Well, I’ve been into weightlifting for quite a few years now. I was into, more bodybuilder ING than anything else. And then I was not stupid, but I was kind of got a bit bored of, my normal pre-workout and, there was another website called Debbie, I think it’s called, and they had, yoga, like, their, like, pictographs of the workouts.

John S.: I thought, it looks interesting. And then I’ve followed a couple of their things. And then as I got into the interest of their stuff, obviously yours popped up. Oh, that’s quite cool. And, I have seen yoga around. I kind of like. I guess it’s the same as a lot of people call it a yoga sort of. It’s like all that, sunshine and rainbows and, breathing and, more wellness than actual practical stuff.

John S.: And obviously, I’ll see you with your website and your, your videos. Yeah. Now. And that was also a lot more practical, a lot more of what I was into. So I started Corona and obviously became a member.

Dean Pohlman: Yeah. Did you start with a strength Foundation challenge.

John S.: Or, try them out a couple of years now and, I think so, yeah. Stuck with that for a while as a pre-workout. And then obviously I got more and more enjoying yoga more and more. We became not just a pre-workout. It was, its own thing.

Dean Pohlman: Okay, cool. All right. So, how did that help with. And so you were doing that with, you were doing that in conjunction with weight training. How did it help with your with your weight training as a pre-workout?

John S.: Well, it’s obviously the, the programs I followed. The buff dudes, they had their own, stretching and that before and after. And it was just that kind of, adding to it and doing something. It wasn’t just the normal same for you workout every time. And then I wanted to look for, ones that were specific to each body of body parts.

John S.: But like upper body, a body core, whatever. And like I say, that’s, do the yoga was adding it to making me more enjoy that equally as much as the weight training.

Dean Pohlman: Okay. What did you, I guess what did you like about what was different from, the weight training?

John S.: Because it’s it seems to be, it’s not just stretching. It’s also, I got to train that muscle I quite enjoyed. So for building muscle, being more flexible than I’ve ever been in my life, I’ve never been successful, being overweight and, That’s being flexible isn’t something that you ever think you would be that obviously, this last cognitive acquisition, the challenge.

John S.: I managed to almost split.

Dean Pohlman: Oh, wow.

John S.: Not quite.

Dean Pohlman: That’s that’s a that’s a big accomplishment for not ever being flexible before. That’s pretty cool.

John S.: Yeah. I mean, obviously not quite as what you also have seen in videos, but, I did more than what I could have ever done, even when I was a teenager. And I was fitter and wow. And more flexible.

Dean Pohlman: So what is that done for you in terms of just your, your everyday life? Have you noticed that, you know, more flexibility? Do you feel better? Do you? I mean, how does it, how does it impact your other workouts?

John S.: Do affects everything. I haven’t had a bad back in months. I work at, I work at kitchen now. The pub and even though I’m bending over and it’s all my feet all day, I haven’t had any problems, muscle wise, joints wise. Walk to work. It’s a 25 minute walk, as well as a nine hour shift.

John S.: No problems whatsoever in that, in that sense. So, yeah, it’s mainly helped to I.

Dean Pohlman: Wow, that’s pretty cool. And did you used to have I mean, did you used to have aches and pains? Yeah.

John S.: I think other, other jobs, especially when I was shuffling at a factory, it was a lot more, a lot more physical. Like, it’s more like manual labor. I kind of wish I had the list, but, you know, combined with bad back, or I’d have to have a week off because I hurt myself, or it twisted my ankle or equipment or the injuries through equipment or this.

John S.: Yeah, it’s a lot different than.

Dean Pohlman: Where you’re doing weight training at that time.

John S.: So. Yeah. More than just a few a couple of dumbbells. When I first started. Well, there’s a couple of them, I think a couple of sugar bags or something like that, but. Yeah. Yeah, I got into it. Yeah, but I still like three, 4:00 in the morning. Because my shifts were cut off often, like 6:00 in the morning.

John S.: So that was the only time I could do it. But yeah, it’s it’s definitely, different. I but now I’ve seen my shifts change. I’ve been able to work out during days off, work though. Can’t wait till now. But, Yeah, definitely enjoying it more.

Dean Pohlman: Okay, so it sounds like it’s also helping with overall energy if you’re able to work out on your days off compared to having to take days off before.

John S.: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I not have any injuries. Touchwood.

Dean Pohlman: So how long how long did it notice. How long did you do the workouts. How long did it take for you to notice that you were feeling more flexible, that you were feeling fewer aches and pains? Do you remember.

John S.: Probably. I think Covid, when I kind of picked up yoga before I found monthly yoga, I realized that was the flexibility rather than just the normal passive stretching. And then I realized I was getting stronger as well because, with the lifts and things of that were getting bigger and I was lifting heavier and.

Dean Pohlman:

John S.: And obviously since then I’ve, I, I can stretch and I can go further and do a lot more with a bit more energy.

Dean Pohlman: Yeah. Gotcha. So, what do you think enabled you to when do you remember doing, doing yoga. It could, it could be non mental yoga. It could be mental yoga too. But when do you remember being consistent with it for the first time. And how often were you doing it.

John S.: Probably when Covid hit. I think I was weight training before that, but Covid, the Covid hit, no go anywhere. And we had a quite a really hot summer and spring here. And so it was out in the garden. So I ended up weightlifting and yoga in the back garden every day, almost 4 or 5 days a week, for 3 or 4 months without much problem.

John S.: Kind of spiral spiral from there. Always made sure that even it was raining, making sure the kitchen’s free to make sure I could get in there and get my yoga in. And even if I wasn’t, yeah, weight training, I’d always get the yoga in.

Dean Pohlman: Got it. So what do you think helped you. Do you think it was just the the, the shutdown or the lockdown. Was that what enabled you to be consistent or was there, was there something else that you think helped with you doing the workouts more consistently?

John S.: I think so, I mean, I was reasonably consistent before that. But with the shutdown, it was easier for a lot of people, getting out into the garden if you have a garden. Yeah. And the weather helping as well, I think, stopped people from going crazy in the house.

Dean Pohlman: Yeah.

John S.: At the time, I just started a new job in care, so I did 24 hour shifts and it was almost like, I’ve only got an hour left, but I finish at 2:00. I can go home and yoga and potty train before dinner. So was. Yeah.

Dean Pohlman: Got it. All right. Cool. So, and then you had a, you had a setback. You’ve had a setback.

John S.: Just a month time. Yeah.

Dean Pohlman: Yeah. So what happened?

John S.: And, I originally I saw I was a TIAA, from the stands for. But it’s basically a mini stroke. I woke one up. I literally on shift, on in care work, and, I couldn’t talk, couldn’t even stand up. Barely. And we’ve got to the hospital, and I realized it was, a stroke, which is not particularly when you’re here, when you’re in your 30s.

John S.:

Dean Pohlman: How old are you?

John S.: I I’m 39 now. So two years ago. Really? But 37. What happened?

Dean Pohlman: Okay.

John S.: So, Yes. Both consistent. I think if they said to have a PFO, which is, a hole in heart, people are born with it quite often, but usually it shuts with most people. But mine didn’t. And which caused a clot and a brain bleed. Which set me back a little bit. I can talk, my wife helped kind of get me back on the track.

John S.: Was talking and reading and, and the yoga actually helped me with the physical side of it. There was a point where the the NHS doctors said you don’t need any physical, rehab because you’ve already got the yoga going.

Dean Pohlman: Oh.

John S.: Which really helped us with the first. I think it’s about a week after I started. Okay. And it did help.

Dean Pohlman: Okay. So a week after the stroke you were doing, you were doing yoga again.

John S.: Yeah, I think it was only the, like a beginners beginner’s program, but yeah, yeah, 15 minutes a day was really helping.

Dean Pohlman: Yeah. Okay. So you went back to. So that’s absolutely. So you were doing the absolute beginners program a week afterwards. So what would or did they, did they talk to you about the physical therapy process versus versus yoga? And, I guess I’m just I’m curious to understand how yoga helped with the recovery process.

John S.: What the they started off as because of the stroke. So a lot of people have like a numbness or weakness in one side. And, I did start with that, but it wasn’t as bad as what a lot of people they were. You know, they have their face drooping and not something has none of that. But, yeah, they said I had to do some sort of, exercising.

John S.: If it’s true, even if it’s just walking, sport or pushups or something. And I did say to them, I already did yoga. And then they said, oh yeah, that’s, that’s you could do that. So I find carry that on. And there, they didn’t really it gave me a lot to do specifically, kind of just let me to do my own thing and, with I didn’t have much to do else other than sit in the, the lounge and do the yoga, and it.

John S.: Yeah, it wasn’t really the greatest support on there from there, from there.

Dean Pohlman: And so they did you have were you, were you off of, how long were you off of work for?

John S.: What month? Officially, I left, six months after it happened. I just couldn’t go back. I was still recovering officially. Then, and I couldn’t go to the work. Was that it was lone working. So you live with, an adult with disabilities? Obviously. You couldn’t. I couldn’t stay with someone there and then kept someone else.

John S.: So, yeah, six months after I officially left. Had been back from that day. They had the stroke. I had gone to. And a few months after that, I got a job as a, exam invigilator, for the GCSEs, which is, 16 year old exams. I don’t know what like, your equivalent in America is.

Dean Pohlman: Like SATs, maybe, or acts like standardized, standardized tests.

John S.: Yeah. It’s like the they go after when the 16, 17 kids go to college and then do the A-levels, but I.

Dean Pohlman: Okay.

John S.: Yeah. Which was quite good as well, helping me and helping them just to get out of the house to get a job. They were quite surprised. I did yoga as well, which is quite funny.

Dean Pohlman: Got it. So all right so we’re off work six months and you’re kind of just recovering doing doing yoga. Did you have any checkups. I’m just kind of curious when you went back in to see them again did they, did they what do they say.

John S.: Yeah. They had checkups, though not very often. Obviously, I don’t know if you’ve seen the disease or anything. NHS is quite, bogged down a bit for quite a few years. But, I had a few checkups and they were quite surprised how physically at least had recovered without any problems. A couple of nurses came out to see me, which is quite good.

John S.: And they can they checked like a physical, rehab exercises to just to check. How is it progressed and if it got any better and bring in your arms and, just walking around and things like that. And they were quite surprised, pleasantly surprised that I recovers physically at least.

Dean Pohlman: I was pretty cool. I mean, did that feel good?

John S.: Yeah, definitely. And the fact that it came from doing my doing yoga every day was quite happy.

Dean Pohlman: Yeah. It’s awesome. Well, I’m glad that helped with recovery. That’s that’s, that’s really cool to hear. So, and so since then, have you your goal has been, what’s the what’s the fitness goals been for you since then? How have you tried to get back to just back into things?

John S.: I think the main one is to say lose weight, but I always say that, because, it’s not a case of, exercising. It’s, more a case of not putting the wrong food in my mouth and, I think you so, at the moment, I think I was going to start doing the Clark series again because it’s been my go to if I don’t know what I’m doing, I put the Clark series on.

John S.: Just kind of an all rounder. I’ve just about started doing some physical, bodyweight exercises like push ups, sit ups. So I haven’t been able to do that for a while with the new job. Yeah, seven, eight months.

Dean Pohlman: The new is the new job. The, the one that you talked about before with the,

John S.: No, no effort to to to get a, a full time job, as a chef, which is what you used to do. Oh, it’s kind of go, I don’t enjoy it, but unfortunately, having a long CV, chef, means that, kitchens go. Oh, like that, you can come work. Yeah. So. So, yeah. Yeah. It’s not okay.

John S.: Okay. It does make me tired these late nights and, like, 2:00 in the morning and sometimes.

Dean Pohlman: It’s.

John S.: Interesting.

Dean Pohlman: Okay. All right. Yeah, that does sound. That does sound tough. And you have, So it’s you, your partner, your wife. Do you have, do you have any kids?

John S.: Several kids? Yeah.

Dean Pohlman: 404 kids. Okay.

John S.: Yeah. And cats. I’m pretty sure there’s one around here somewhere to cook. It’s twitching and I hear purring for the moment.

Dean Pohlman: Got it. So, man, it was when, So how how old are your kids? When the, when the stroke happened?

John S.: The oldest is. She’s so 18. She was at the time, youngest of eight. Okay. Well, really 99 now I turn three. So, yeah, she’s the oldest in the adult. She was, uni for a bit, but. There, they were giving me orders about. Got to do your exercise. You’ve got to do your your reading, your writing and stuff.

John S.: After it all happened.

Dean Pohlman: So. Was that helpful or not helpful?

John S.: You know, it’s helpful. Yeah. I think everyone was kind of giving me orders, but.

Dean Pohlman: So everyone held you accountable to do your, do what you needed to do to recover.

John S.: Yeah, yeah, definitely.

Dean Pohlman: Okay. Got it. So. All right, so you’re getting back into bodyweight exercises. Now you just finish up the be on flexibility, challenge with, the rest of the community. How’s, how is your health now compared to before the stroke?

John S.: Health wise, it’s probably kind of gone through the same of a sort of, obviously being more flexible without, I think I try I’m not doing the 24 hour shifts, which is what up? Which is what I was doing when I had the stroke. So I’m not the exhaustion isn’t quite as bad.

Dean Pohlman: Yeah. I mean, 24 hours is, a long time to do a shift.

John S.: A little bit. Yeah. It’s, definitely different experience compared to previous jobs. But then again, same as working in the pub now. But I’m, I’ve been, eight weeks now. Must be you guys. So I my body and my tiredness is starting to get used to it. Kind of pushing to get into doing routines.

John S.: And I kind of let myself lapse a bit when I first started because it was just absolutely tiring. That’s enough. And, but now that I have the shifts, more consistent, I guess.

Dean Pohlman:

John S.: It’s my body. Body’s starting to get used to it a little bit.

Dean Pohlman: Okay. Got it. So, you know, you’re, you know, you’ve got four kids, you got your family, you’ve got the cats, you’ve got, you know, you’re getting back into a the the swing of things in terms of a full time job right now. And you’re also, you know, increasing the intensity of your workouts. Same time. So what are you what’s your motivation for when you feel tired, when you feel, you know, drained after a day of work, but you still want to do your workouts?

Dean Pohlman: How do you how do you motivate yourself to be consistent with your workouts when you’re tired like that?

John S.: It’s not really one specific thing. I think it’s just knowing haven’t been what I was before. And now, especially now, that’s been the challenge as well. It’s kind of helped, kind of, pushed me to keep it going. Motivation of trying to get lose weight, I guess.

Dean Pohlman:

John S.: And also be around for the kids. I mean, taking them swimming tomorrow morning for five of them and their friends. So it’s, it’s not entirely sure that’s going to how after work out for you just then.

Dean Pohlman: Yeah. I mean that’s, that’s that’s good motivation though. So if you had to go, I guess if you had to dig a little bit deeper in terms of reasons for that motivation, motivation to lose weight, what’s the what’s the real motivation there just is it a is it, is it a fear that you’re not going to be around longer for the kids if you don’t lose the weight?

Dean Pohlman: Is there, you know, is there is there a confidence thing there or what do you what do you think is really driving the motivation to lose weight?

John S.: Probably all of it. All of the, this, this public confidence thing being overweight and you kind of you always feel like people are going to judge. And obviously you’re like myself, look yourself in the mirror and I don’t like what I see. So so I’m thinking about the kids, you know, no diet or something like that.

John S.: But being around, like, the longer being around for the kids when they have kids and not being stuck in a wheelchair or stuck in a home or stuck in a chair and not being able to enjoy it the way that my dad’s been enjoying being a granddad with my kids after husband.

Dean Pohlman: Is your dad, is he relatively fit, thin, or has this he’s just been able to be active with, with your family or what?

John S.: Yeah, he’s he’s always has been, he we did the same job for quite a while. Funnily enough, it’s the job. That job that brought me to Somerset. And I met my wife, mainly in Huron, London Marathon in 2006. And he’s always kind of he’s running and he does go to the gym, so,

John S.: He’s always been active. Yeah. Rugby as well.

Dean Pohlman: Okay. Like you.

John S.: Yeah.

Dean Pohlman: Yeah. So what were you I’m curious about your, your weight change. Have have you, has it yoyo up and down. Have you had periods of success where you have been losing weight and then other things happen? Or has it always has it been pretty consistent?

John S.: When we had, She’s not our first daughter. She had two kids before. Before, we met and we had our first daughter. Melody, she died, when she was five weeks old, and, we’ve been. But she’d been a Nicky for five weeks before that, and, we’ve been living off, takeaways and medals and and by the end of when she passed, I was bigger than I’d ever been.

John S.: Bigger than I am now. And I suddenly realized, oh, mother, I’ve gotta do something about this. And I think I lost. I was I went from 360 pounds down to about 240, about a year or so, unfortunately. And, next daughter was born and I kind of that kind of went out the window. Unlucky.

John S.: But like I say, it has been, you know, you’d, I had lost weight and then I had another daughter, and then I managed to get down a bit and then the previous health problems I’ve had the last six years, I’ve kind of, not excusing it, but I’ve been tired and eating and not really thought it through.

John S.: You kind of get through another day and you want. I’m tired and got us as a snack. Now I’ll eat that. So. So, Yeah, it’s used a lot, but it’s. I think I’ve lost about 15 pounds in the last two weeks so far. Wow.

Dean Pohlman: Okay, so.

John S.: So fingers crossed it’s going to carry on.

Dean Pohlman: When when you’re successful with the weight loss, what are some things that you noticed you’re doing well.

John S.: Breathing easier. That’s a big one. But also, there’s a lot of hills around chard where we live. Okay. Just walking up to the nearest convenience store up the hill. My, I found that, no breath for the stomach at the top of the hill. And just that alone has been kind of a a goal or goal, but it’s like a.

John S.: Oh, I’m at the top of the hill now breath. That’s cool.

Dean Pohlman:

John S.: And then keep going. And I’m still not breath when I get to work. 25 minutes later, it’s yeah, pretty good.

Dean Pohlman: So what are you doing when you’re, when you do notice that you’ve like in the last two weeks, you’ve mentioned that you’ve lost 15 pounds. What do you notice that helps with the weight loss.

John S.: More about well, sometimes it’s hung around. The, the community group seeing a lot of other people, like, and Cody, seeing you being quite so confident with himself, being overweight. Trying to get that confidence. Still not quite got Cody’s level yet.

Dean Pohlman: Yeah.

John S.: But, yeah, I think it’s also trying to. Push myself to look in the mirror a bit more. Sounds like stupid, but you do. You do look in the mirror. It’s almost like a denial. But if you look in the mirror, go. Yeah, yeah. I’m overweight. I need to keep it going. Keep going? Yeah. Mental. More than I know.

John S.: It’s like you know how to do it. It’s just that kind of, keeping it going and knowing that you need to be able to get. Get down.

Dean Pohlman: Yeah. Got it. So when you are losing weight, is it because you’re exercising more? Is it because you’re walking more? Are you being better with what you’re eating? What helps you lose weight?

John S.: I think it’s so, so like also are walking a lot because, unfortunately because the, the stroke also has, caused me to have epilepsy. And in the UK, you cannot drive if you’ve had epilepsy or you’ve had any seizures in a 12 month period. Okay. Without a car I have to walk on public transport. Rubbish.

John S.: But yeah, so walking everywhere is helped even. Okay, just go to Tesco’s or to get the shopping daily rather than do a one big shop, which obviously means putting a backpack and weights down, which means the 15 minute walk home is also more or less normal, just, more than just a quick walk. It’s hard work carrying shopping home every day, which is helped.

Dean Pohlman: Okay, well, yeah, that sounds like it’s a great workout.

John S.: Yeah.

Dean Pohlman: Do you know how often you’re walking? Or do you have, like, does your phone track your steps or do you ever look at that?

John S.: Yeah, yeah, I’ve got my, my Fitbit, various different Fitbits when they work, with, my wife and I are on something called team RH, which is, a British that’s like it does a little bit of motivation on that, which is mostly just a duty shouting at you. But it’s also they have their own, so I’m a bit like my fitness pile up.

John S.: Okay. Yeah. It’s got all the food on there and let’s see certain goals you hit certain steps every day. So, protein every day, that sort of thing.

Dean Pohlman: Yeah. It’s got how many steps you’re taking a day on average.

John S.: On a day like today when I’m not working, probably about 10,000 on a work day, it’s closer to 20, 25,000 steps.

Dean Pohlman: Oh my gosh. Yeah, that’s a lot of steps.

John S.: Yeah.

Dean Pohlman: Okay. Wow. All right, well, mystery solved. Yeah, that’s a lot. I mean, that’s a lot of steps that but also it’s it’s tough because, you know, you’re you’re going to be hungry after doing all those steps. So you have to be mindful about what you’re eating in response to that.

John S.: Yeah. Luckily, the great thing about the closing shifts at 2:00 in the morning, you’re too tired to raid the fridge. You just go to bed.

Dean Pohlman: It’s just, My brother is, he works in bars. And he, he was he’s lost probably 30 pounds. And he didn’t change anything different because he’s, you know, he’s moving. You know, he’s picking up kegs and he’s, you know, doing stuff and he’s managing bar, and he’s walking all over and doing stuff actively. But, yeah, I think that helped him as he just you just stopped eating and he I think he just does like, he doesn’t eat breakfast.

Dean Pohlman: I think it just eats like dinner. And but he gets home at two. I don’t think he’s anything after that either. He’s just so. But you know, that’s.

John S.: Yeah. He’s busy I think is probably my biggest, motivation, I guess.

Dean Pohlman: Yeah.

John S.: Just doing anything other than sitting, looking at the fridge.

Dean Pohlman: Yeah. So, then what? I just want to ask one more question before I go on into the, I go on into the rapid fire parts, but, how, how much did you weigh when you’re when you and your wife met.

John S.: Oh, God. I’m not entirely sure. About 150 kilos. Not sure how that is. 320, 30 pounds. Me. Oh.

Dean Pohlman: Okay. Got it. Okay, so you’ve also you’ve always been, you know, you’ve always been bigger than it was.

John S.: Yeah. When you were. Yeah. I think when I was, 18, when I moved out of my house of mum’s, it was then. Oh, I can eat what I want. I don’t have to listen to Norm. And I got my own job. I got my own place. I can eat anything. I just kind of snowballed from there.

John S.: So, yeah, I would be in school. So it was. I was pretty tall and thin and taking a sport sense rather than a more food spent sense.

Dean Pohlman: All right. So it was, moving out on your own and your mom not telling you what not to eat. That’s that that that did you in?

John S.: Yeah. Yeah, definitely.

Dean Pohlman: Right. All right. Cool. Okay, so I’ve got a few other questions. What’s one habit, belief or mindset that has helped you the most with your overall health and wellness?

John S.: Like probably being healthy enough for the kids or for the family. Really? Okay.

Dean Pohlman: Yeah, that’s a good answer. All right. So second question is, what’s one thing that you do for your health that is overlooked or undervalued by others?

John S.: God. Probably even yoga people kind of look at me and go, you do yoga? Yeah.

Dean Pohlman: Yeah. All right. There’s an answer. What’s the most stressful part of your day to day life?

John S.: I shouldn’t say family because I get into trouble. Probably the job more than anything. Working. Right? So let us play chess.

Dean Pohlman: Yeah, that makes sense. And then what’s your best piece of advice for men who want to be healthier?

John S.: Consistency, I think, is probably. What is the thing that keeps everything going? Get a routine. Keep busy.

Dean Pohlman: Yeah. All right. Cool. Well, anything else you want to add?

John S.: I don’t think so. Not without meaning. I haven’t managed so far. I’ve managed to not be silly, as I am on the, group.

Dean Pohlman: Being silly is encouraged. Yeah, I, I do want to say you are quite silly, on the Facebook group. And I think that humor people really appreciate that humor. Yeah, I love it. So thank you for, you know, being a, the voice of comedic relief in the community. It’s it’s really great. Honestly.

John S.: Sinus, I think, because I social media, I used to be quite serious when I first started doing the workouts, and recording myself on that. But these last couple of years, specifically joining monthly yoga, take the out seriously. But posting on social media. Yeah, not serious at all. Which way not to be anyway.

Dean Pohlman: Yeah. No, I, I, I like that I think having fun with it is is much more, much more enjoyable. But also you’re also, you know, you’re not just, you’re not posting and saying, yeah, I push myself through the workout you’re posting and saying like, oh, crap, I’m in this pose and I hate my life right now.

John S.: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that that sounds about right.

Dean Pohlman: Yeah, that people really like that. So, so thank you.

John S.: So thank you.

Dean Pohlman: Yeah. All right, well, I appreciate you coming on and having this conversation with me. Guys, I hope you get something out of this interview. John. I’ll continue to see you and your your humor, your British humor in the, in the Facebook group. Yeah. Thanks again for being part of mental yoga.

John S.: Thank you.

Dean Pohlman: Yeah. All right, guys, I hope this inspires you to be a better man. I hope you got something out of this. I’ll see you on the next episode.

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