Tom Schwartz Says Tom Sandoval and Rachel Leviss Not Working Out Is the 'Shock of a Lifetime'

Tom Schwartz is shocked Tom Sandoval and Rachel Leviss’ relationship didn’t work out. 

In an interview on the latest episode of the Amy & T.J. podcast, the Vanderpump Rules star delved into his thoughts on the former couple's breakup and shared insights into his own relationship status.

Former Good Morning America co-anchors Amy Robach and T.J. Holmes led the discussion, prompting Schwartz to share his surprise at Sandoval and Leviss not making their relationship work.

"Honestly, I was very surprised," Schwartz admitted, adding, "Shocked, the shock of a lifetime. And I don't even say that lightly because I really thought they risked it all. They burned their lives down for love or lust, whatever you want to call it. It makes people do stupid things."

Sandoval and Ariana Madix had been together since 2013, when she first joined the show and called it quits last March after he was caught having an affair with Leviss. 

Schwartz offered a nuanced perspective when asked whether he believed it was love or lust driving their relationship. "I think it was lust under the cloak," he said, elaborating, "I think they really did at one point love each other. I mean, listen, from what I saw, they deeply cared about each other and were in love. That's from my perspective. You know, I don't know how they feel about it in hindsight."

Reflecting further on their relationship dynamics, Schwartz indicated that both parties might now view it differently. "Retroactively, I think they have a much different take on it, and I think they're both kind of referring to it more as an addiction, a lust, or a mistake of epic proportions," he said. "But you know, at one point, yeah, man, they were... It feels twisted to say this, but they were really deeply in love. I think, yeah, yeah, deeply."

Schwartz also shared how his experiences, including his divorce from Katie Maloney, reshaped his approach to relationships. "For the first time in my life, I'm doing something crazy. I'm setting boundaries," he revealed.

The conversation then turned to Schwartz's current romantic situation, with Robach and Holmes inquiring about his relationship status. Responding with a hint of mystery, Schwartz teased, "I mean, can I just say I'm super happy right now? Well, I don't know if I'm, I don't think I'm single."

After 12 years together, Schwartz and Maloney announced their separation in March 2022 via Instagram. Their divorce was settled in September of the same year. 

Vanderpump Rules airs Tuesdays on Bravo.

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